G: Product Evaluation – V-Spoilers

As a full time RV’er for the last 13 years, driving diesel Class A bus style RVs, it’s necessary for me to visit, rather frequently, RVing web sites that have many RV’ers posting their latest RVing issue in order to pick up on the latest gossip and random fixes that apply to brands, systems, devices, and functioning of these large, complex machines.

A result of that is occasionally I’ve run into suggestions regarding improving stability of these big machines on the road. Especially during windstorms, or while being overtaken and passed by large vehicles, or while being passed by large vehicles coming from the opposite direction while on two lane roads. It appears from reading forum posts over the last decade that many Class A rigs have stability issues…so much so that people have spent literally thousands trying to made it safe and easy to maintain their rigs posture rolling down the center of the lane. Without bouncing, sway, porpoising, or battering by wind gusts.

When I had my ’94 Bounder, I installed Bilstein shocks and that took care of the porpoising and most of the sway, but there was still the battering I’d take when at freeway speeds, where trucks would pass me going either direction or if the wind was gusting. Those events would whip the RV back and forth sometimes. Or nearly push it out of the lane. I just sort of put up with the kind of bullying trucks and the wind did while on the road for years. It tracked nice and straight, had a slight slope to the big front windshield that I figured aided the rig’s aerodynamics, but it would rock, side to side sway, quite a bit in the wind. Passing trucks would cause it to slip towards the truck and then back into my lane as it passed. Sometimes, with surprising aggressiveness. Trucks coming towards me would often require both hands tightly on the steering wheel. And a long trip with winds along the route was not something I looked forward to.

With my ’02 Winnebago Journey that I bought in early 2016, going by it’s flat nose, I expected that sort of buffeting by traffic and winds to be even worse, but luckily it has not turned out that way. The suspension seems fairly robust and the weight distribution seems to take care of most of those rocking and swaying issues. Turns out it’s quite comfortable to drive in nearly all conditions. And the airbag suspension of the Journey did a much better job then the suspension that my ’94 Bounder had. But I tend to time my trips these days when there’s not a lot of super bad weather or heavy traffic.

I have noticed with my Journey though, that yes, it’s still affected by wind gusts on the highway caused by other vehicles, and by winds from various directions. Gusting winds can rock the rig, especially when coming from the front quarters. But stability is good enough that I’m not too exhausted when the days travel is over like I was in the Bounder.

With that background, I’ll say that I have thought about getting some work done to improve stability over the years, on either rig, but the cost was always prohibitive for something that might improve road stability. Besides, most of the forum complainants owned gassers so I was unsure if any of the sway bars, or steering stabilizers available would have any effect on my diesel vehicle’s sway (side to side), steering, or directional stability with side or quartering winds.

During all those years of reading RVing forums, I’ve occasionally run into people asking forum members if anyone had tried the small plastic devices that are attached to the trailing edges of trucks but also offered to RV’ers as a solution to instability. In order to get a recommendation or not. But users were few and far between and their evaluations weren’t very detailed so it was difficult to get a handle on whether they’d be a good investment or not. The V shape of the devices is such that when it’s in an airstream, pointed in the right direction, it causes the air to be swirled around in a way that causes air vorticies. These vortexes of swirling air, if there’s enough of them, cause chaos in the slipstream behind a large vehicle. This is a good type of chaos, as it tends to decrease the suction caused by a laminar flow of air behind a boxy shape. Reducing drag. Most semi trucks, cube trucks, buses, and RVs cause a laminar flow, and a device to cause turbulence behind any of them would be a good thing, for both stability, and economy.

So I’ve been aware of them for years, always wanted to try them, and when a representative of V-Spoilers contacted me via IM regarding renting advertising space on my blog, I jumped at the chance to try them out since they offered to supply a set free for the ad space. Pretty typical arrangement for a blogger with my kind of visitation numbers, and the types of readers I have. In addition, they didn’t ask me for editing rights for any evaluation I might do on my blog or other venues. I gladly accepted their offer.

In February of 2017, I had them installed while I was down in Mexico. The installation is simple, all that’s required is a clean RV, a ladder, and approximately an hour of time. I hired a local guy to do the job for me so I could get pictures. I was unsure of where exactly they should be placed on the back of a typical RV, and took my best guess…which turned out to be slightly inaccurate. I’ll get to that later.

First a few pictures of where we’ll be mounting the V-Spoilers on my Journey. Note the nice straight line the sidewall to the endcap makes. First a couple shots of the passengers side,

And than a couple of the drivers side. This side presents a slight issue as the air scoop for the engine is sort of in the way. First step is a wipe down of the previously washed and waxed paint. I selected the positioning of the V-Spoilers based on a best guess of where the spoilers would do the best job.  Then Israel pulls the protective tape off the strip of double sided sticky tape that’s used to attach the spoilers. It’s important that the segment of V-Spoilers is not dropped at this point so that the tape stays clean. Otherwise it won’t stick.I had him trim off a bit of the edge on the top section of four spoilers to match the profile of the rear of the RV so it wouldn’t stick out unsupported.

For some areas it was necessary to cut a spoiler into individual air flow sections. For that we used a right angle straight edge, black marking pen, and a pair of sharp scissors. This shot shows the mark where we’ll cut off one spoiler form, and two rows of sticky tape that holds the spoilers to the RV. With the passengers side done, it’s onto the driver’s side. Filling the gap with a single Spoiler form. And then it’s on to the roof.  And a final couple shots after the job was completed. Turned out nice. Very easy to do. Israel had no trouble coming up with the appropriate cuts in the material for a nice fit everywhere that was needed.

After completing the job, I sent some pictures to the manufacturer’s rep and she pointed out that they didn’t need to be that close to the rear of the RV, that I could have just put them along that straight seam only on the forward edge instead of the rearward edge. Would have made for a more finished appearance. Doh! Well, now I know.


 


Testing the V-Spoilers…

First Test…

It was a couple weeks after installation that I thought would be a good time to test drive the V-Spoilers as we had a fairly brisk wind coming from the north, 16 to 18 MPH, which was handy as the road out of town heads north, and is straight, flat, and two lane a few miles from town. So off a friend and I go to watch and listen for any effects that might present themselves during a drive.

First thing that happened was that the wind died as soon as we were 5 miles outside of town. Next, we did not pass or even see any semi’s, cube trucks, cabover trucks, buses, RVs or similar that I was hoping for, going in either direction. No testing luck. Did not see a single large vehicle the entire trip 45 miles north, and 45 miles back again. Even so the ride was smooth, no sway or shaking, the RV held the road with little effort. Bah. Not a very eventful test so I didn’t glean much useful info from it and couldn’t draw any conclusions about the effectiveness of the V-Spoilers.

Second test…

About three weeks after that test, it was time to head back to the US from Mexico. The trip was to be from San Felipe, Baja, to Gila Bend, Arizona. This is a one day 300 mile trip and the first half of the travel distance would be heading north, the 2nd half heading east.

There were two diesel pushers on this trip, both Winnebago Journeys, similar in design, both pulling toads. Mine and my friends who lives in San Felipe, I was just heading North, she was heading back to Vermont where she runs a B&B. Mine has the V-Spoilers installed, my friend’s RV did not. During this trip I did pass several semi’s coming towards me and noticed right off that my RV would not sway hardly at all as they passed. Our speeds on this wide open lightly traveled highway averaged 50 MPH. As we got further north, the wind picked up from the west, blowing eastward which would hit the driver’s side of the RV. I could see plants and the occasional creosote bush or tree top in this sparse desert area swaying in the breeze. Again, I was not fighting the steering and I did not have that bias that many RVs get with a strong side wind where the center of the steering wheel is off center from normal. This is beneficial for steering tire life. I also noticed very little sway from gusting winds, that the wind was gusting occasionally was obvious from the signs shown by roadside plant life.

After we crossed the border and started heading east, we stopped for a break and I noted that the wind was strong and gusting, while mainly blowing eastward, so this portion of the journey the wind would be coming from the rear of the RV and pushing us along. I estimated 18 MPH with gusts to 22 MPH or so. While stopped and while on the road, there were obvious signs of numerous swirling wind events, which would make for a great test of the V-Spoilers.

We were now on a freeway heading due east rather than a mostly 2 lane road heading north so I didn’t have any semi’s passing opposite my direction of travel, but I did have many passing me on the drivers side going the same direction since I normally travel at 55-60 MPH. What I noticed is that my RV would still sway into the semi and then back out as they passed, but not with the same aggressiveness I’d gotten use to before installing the V-Spoilers. I did not have to strongly grip the steering wheel though two hands were seemingly necessary on occasion. Now I could lightly rest them on the wheel rather than gripping tightly as in the past. All in all a good test of the V-Spoilers. I’d been in strong frontal winds without the spoilers when I drove from Portland, Oregon to Rosamond, California along I-5 trying to avoid a large wind and rain storm, and I noticed that this trip was easier, not nearly the battering I experienced before. After we arrived in Gila Bend and settled into our RV sites, my friend (unsolicited) complained about her RV being buffeted around by the wind, while in my case it had been a smooth trip, I’d hardly noticed any wind effects while driving though I could see the effects on roadside objects. That’s something I kept noticing while I drove, hardly any buffeting by wind causing the RV to be difficult to keep centered in a traffic lane, and I could see that the winds were strong and swirling. Also had many large vehicles passing me. With the V-Spoilers installed, I did not expirience nearly the wind caused battering I’d experienced in the past.

Third Test…

I stayed nearly a month in Gila Bend, but eventually it was time to head north to avoid the blistering heat that was beginning to raise it’s blazing face so I planned a trip up into the mountains. Gila Bend to Beatty, Nevada is a nice long trip across desert, through a major city (Phoenix), than into the foothills, on into high desert, and then into low mountains. Almost 440 miles where I could test the V-Spoilers. I won’t go into the minutia about every twist and turn of the route, suffice to say that it had every event I could have hoped for, went on for two hours longer than I normally drive, without, it turned out, road fatigue.

But the best part of the trip for testing was the winds…varied and strong right after I got to Phoenix. The first 35 miles after leaving Gila Bend the wind was mild if not non-existent, just what I expected at 6:30 AM in the desert. As the sun rose, the winds picked up as they dropped down from the hills and later in the afternoon, with nearby foothills affecting them, the winds came from every direction along the travel route. Along with having gusting winds, there were also micro bursts and swirling winds with no discernible direction. All in the 10 to 20 MPH range.

Results of testing…conclusions.

As far as I’m concerned, the V-Spoilers are a success.

First,  I will note that one time I had a semi that had that giant cowl behind the driver’s cab but no trailer pass me heading the same direction I was, and the wind from that did move my RV a bit more than expected. I thought it was the semi’s large cowl and lack of a trailer that caused that. So the V-Spoilers don’t stop each and every wind event, and don’t totally stop sway caused by being passed by other large vehicles. And there were a couple large semis pass me heading in my same direction on freeways that would first suck the RV towards them, then push it away. That tended to be mild compared to before the V-Spoilers were installed though.

But overall, I’d say the V-Spoilers made travel in my RV smooth in nearly all road conditions, and under the various wind situations I encountered during these tests. There were many times when I shook my head in disbelief as a large semi passed me going the opposite direction on a two lane road and I could hardly tell it happened. This occurred multiple times, at various wind speeds and directions. And one section of the trip, I could hardly tell I had a wind from the passenger’s side as there wasn’t the type of sway I had noticed before installing the V-Spoilers.

I expirience a couple microbursts of wind that hit and shook the RV, moved it a bit while causing a loud noise (which I believe were the vent lids opening slightly and slamming closed), and I can only imagine how forceful those events would have been without the V-Spoilers. But neither of them caused the rig to sway excessively or jump lanes. All I know is that those wind events rattled and shook the RV, but I really didn’t have to react or change my driving style. Most of the trip, I rested one arm on the armrest instead of the steering wheel. Before the V-Spoilers, when in winds as strong as during this trip, I would have both hands on the wheel waiting for the next strong bump from the winds. When this longer than normal trip was over, I was tired, but not exhausted from battling winds and traffic as I expected. That is a plus in my book.

So, I’d recommend V-Spoilers for Class A’s, 5th Wheels, and travel trailers if you have stability issues while driving. And at $267 for a set large enough for a typical RV, this solution is much more economical than those chassis stability fixes I’ve seen for thousands of dollars. As always though, make sure you have balanced tires, weigh your rig and adjust your side to side weights so they are fairly equal,  properly air up your tires according to weight, and have your alignments checked, especially if you show signs of strange wear patterns on your tires. If after all that’s done, you still expirience some stability issues on the road, consider the V-Spoilers as an economical way to mitigate them.

Good driving!

Additional Info: After 1500 miles with the V-Spoilers, my mileage has improved by 5%, from 7.6 MPG to 8.3 MPG. Only time will tell if that improvement is just a blip in the averages, or a new ‘normal’.  Edit: The improvement in fuel economy held fast and now, years later, I am getting a solid 5% above the mileage I got before the V-Spoilers.

UPDATE: May 2021

Found these installation instructions for truckers that would also help RV’ers that are installing the individual EcoFins available from eBay these days. V-Spoilers don’t seem to be sold in the US anymore [Edit: They are again available in the US as of March 2022]. Though AirTabs are the same thing and they are. Anyway, here’s the instructions.

Installation Instructions [by EcoFins]

EcoFins should be installed when vehicle is clean and skin temperatures are at or above +40F (+5C). The surfaces must be free of all contaminants. EcoFins should be installed on warm, clean, dry, flat surfaces. If a degreaser is used, it must be completely removed before installation. Regardless of the cleaning agent used, the final cleaning process should use a final cleaning agent such as rubbing alcohol or paint thinner. DO NOT USE any window cleaners containing ammonia. Use clean shop rags. For installation purposes, the cleaner, the dryer, the warmer, the better.

Location on Vehicles: EcoFins should be installed as close as possible to the back (trailing) edge of the vehicle. If the EcoFins must be moved forward to avoid rivet heads etc, keep the wide edges of the EcoFins within 12-18 inches (30-45cm) of the back for best performance. EcoFins are effective shielding gaps or reducing turbulence entering undesirable areas. Any vehicle component with an edge that is 90 degrees to the airflow is a possible EcoFins location provided that location receives an adequate supply of relatively undisturbed airflow. Examples: forward of wheel wells, hung tool boxes, trailer skirts etc. EcoFins are also effective on roof trailing edges of automobiles with a rear window slope exceeding 30 degrees. For ALL applications, ensure that the leading (wide) edge of the EcoFins is absolutely flush with the mounting surface.

Trailers: Place EcoFins forward of the rain ridge on the roof. CAUTION: Ensure trailer side EcoFins placement is adjusted so that when barn style trailer doors are opened, the doors and hinge bolts do not impact any EcoFins and cause damage.

Tractor: The ideal surface is flat but EcoFins can be installed on slightly curved surfaces as long as the leading edge is absolutely flush and the majority of the tape is in contact. If the pointed tip is slightly raised, it poses no performance degradation. Installation: Do not install on flexible side extender rubber strips, exhaust stacks, or heat shields.

Install EcoFins 3 per foot which is one every 4 inches on center. EcoFins are 4-1/2” long, 3-1/8” wide, and 1” high. (Metric: 12cm long, 8.2cm wide, 2.5cm high) Spacing is 4” (10.1cm) on center. Increase spacing to avoid rivet heads, lights, grab bars etc. Do NOT decrease spacing as this may decrease performance. Locate the vertical line where the leading (wide) edges of the EcoFins will be. Using duct tape, fasten the tape end to the top of the vehicle just forward of this line. Unwind the tape to the bottom of the vehicle. When the tape hangs absolutely vertically, secure the lower end with tape. Install the first EcoFins at the top at an appropriate inch mark. Continue every 4 inches until complete. The tape provides accurate spacing and a perfect straight edge. The warmer the surface temperature, the faster the tape will set.

 

 

4 Responses to G: Product Evaluation – V-Spoilers

  1. Gabriel says:

    Hi, Just a quick follow up. Are you still happy with the V-spoilers?
    Fuel economy? Stability in cross wind? Less dirt at the back?

    Yes, I am still very happy with them. They do seem to add stability in virtually all situations on the road that I remember before I had to accept a certain amount of buffeting around. That ‘rock & roll’ phenomenon I’d get on the road when passed by or passing big semis doesn’t happen much anymore. I’m over in Iowa now after a trip of 2000 miles in early spring weather and didn’t hardly notice much instability at all.

    The last section of the current trip, I was misguided by my GPS which sent me on dirt roads trying to find an address it thought existed but didn’t exist where it thought. That trip stirred up tons of fine dust and dirt that I could see in my mirrors and rear cam billowing up and around the backside of the RV. Then when I got back on the highway and traveled 8 miles at 55 mph I could see great clouds of dust being blown off. And when I got to the actual address I’d been looking for and checked back there, I expected to see dust caked on the backside like I would have found before the Spoilers, especially on the radiator but was surprised that there wasn’t hardly any.

    So yeah, I definitely think that the Spoilers helped blow off all that dust.

    I’ve put on just about 6,000 miles since I added the spoilers and still recommend them. They stabilize travel making for an easier trip, are holding fast, haven’t seemed to have been affected by the heat and sun in the places I’ve stayed (desert SW) so are retaining their color, are self cleaning after a fashion on the road, and in my opinion, don’t detract from the RVs appearance.

    And mileage has increased from 7.6 to 8.6. As it turns out, at this moment I have driven this RV ~3,000 miles without the spoilers and ~3,000 miles with them so I’m pretty confident about the AVERAGE mileage increase, and that it is correct. I am pretty careful about keeping good mileage records and I trust what I’m seeing is accurate. I calculate a 13.2% increase in fuel mileage. There are many factors that go into that figure though. For instance, I’m pretty sure that the lazy way I traveled the last 2,000 miles helped bump up that increase. Nearly all was at 55 MPH as I was never in a hurry. I also timed my travel so at least 1,000 miles of the trip I had the wind at my back. So let’s just be conservative and say the spoilers make a 5 to 6% increase in fuel economy. The rest of the increase is probably from my being a mileage focused driver.

    I have had many RV’ers at parks come over and ask about them and I’ve had the occasion to direct RV’ing forum readers to my blog post about them so they are getting positive exposure.

  2. Dear sir. Us, from V-spoilers is very happy for your neutral, and very describing way of testing our product.
    We can also tell you that we still sell our products to costumers in Mexico, US and Cansda.
    If we can do anything, to help you, maybe be our salesagent for V-spoilers to RW vehicles, plesse let us know. I have been taking the freedom, to show your report/testomonial on our LinkedIn profil. All the best, CEO Mr. Stegemejer – V-spoilers.

    You are welcome, Mr. Stegemejer. And it’s nice to hear from the CEO of V-Spoilers and the news that you’re selling in the US again. The last I checked, there wasn’t any V-Spoiler distributors in the US…but that was during Covid-19 outbreak here in the US. Nice to hear you’re back. If I ever need to replace mine, I’ll be sure to get the V-Spoilers. Mine are still looking and working well and I’m still a big fan. They definitely do the job.

    Thanks for letting me know you’ve linked my evaluation on Linkedin. And since you were kind enough to supply the V-Spoiler set to me for free to evaluate, you earned the right to do that. You have my permission to copy and past or link the evaluation wherever you care to. On your own web site if you wish.

    Thanks again!

    Jim

  3. Greg Smith says:

    Hi Jim – We put tabs (A different brand:)!) on our 98 T-28 Bounder. It was the single most cost effective modification made to assist in handling. Same basic results as you documented, perhaps a bit more dramatic improvement for the Bounder then your Journey, due to different chassis and weight. We too picked up an improvement in MPG, but that was not my primary reason for adding the tabs. Two other things I noticed: 1) Our rear camera in the rain, would not get blocked as much as it used to by rain/water on the lens; 2) Our CRV Toad, would remain cleaner after several days of driving. (NOT clean, but certainly less road grime accumulation.). I add this to your excellent site, so if others read this in the future – they’ll have another opinion from a mere mortal RV owner…

    My best to you, and see you on the forums ahead. Rubber side down,
    Smitty (Smitty77)

    Thank you for the good wishes. And for reading my blog! I’m still a big fan of the tabs and years after installing, they still look good. No fading or yellowing from all the sun I tend to get where I camp. Best of luck to you too!

  4. ALAN C EMSLEY says:

    Where is the best place to buy V-Spoilers?

    According to the V-Spoiler website, this is their US & Canada distributor: https://northeasttrailer.com/

    And here’s a phone number: (609)-499-9700, extension 8811

    I’m surprised that they only have the one distributor here in the US. I know they had several before Covid, went away during, and now they’re back selling them here in US and Canada, but only one distributor? They’re being like AirTab I guess which has a single US distributor. But EcoFins are on eBay if you want to go that route.

    In case they aren’t competitive, (note the last I checked, a complete set for a Class A was $167 or close to that a year or so ago) there are AirTabs & EcoFins available too. The AirTabs are $2.75 each in black or white but can be painted. The EcoFins are $2.94 each and come in several colors, but probably can be painted too, as can the V-Spoilers. I calculated the numbers I’d need to buy for my RV if I didn’t already have the V-Spoilers that come on plates with 3 of the vortex devices molded to the sheets (see the pictures in my article) and it came to around $260 or so. You can count them from the pictures I posted in my article to do your own calculations. But the cost is a HUGE savings over the traditional handling fixes to the chassis many people pay thousands for. Even if they don’t fix your handling issue, they still save fuel, so the payback is short.

    Anyway, good luck with your decision…Jim

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